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		<title>By: Kicking off the real estate commission discussion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kicking off the real estate commission discussion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 23:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] estate agent and AgentGenius contributor, Jonathan Dalton, wrote a post yesterday opening the debate on real estate commissions.  The comment discussion that followed is spirited, and well worth a read.  It is the perfect [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] estate agent and AgentGenius contributor, Jonathan Dalton, wrote a post yesterday opening the debate on real estate commissions.  The comment discussion that followed is spirited, and well worth a read.  It is the perfect [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Smith - Goomzee.com</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28928</link>
		<dc:creator>Austin Smith - Goomzee.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic Post Jon.  This is a senseless argument that is taking more of the industry&#039;s time then should be allowed.
 
You&#039;re point about the public not having a say (and rightfully so) in the salary of Inman execs was spot on.  To provide &#039;Joe the Plumber&#039; an equal voice in this forum would be ludicrous; and would it not open the door to negotiations for all of America&#039;s goods?  Hmmm, maybe that wouldn&#039;t be such a bad thing.  When I get home I&#039;m gonna call my electric company and see if I can barter down the utilities bill...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic Post Jon.  This is a senseless argument that is taking more of the industry&#8217;s time then should be allowed.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re point about the public not having a say (and rightfully so) in the salary of Inman execs was spot on.  To provide &#8216;Joe the Plumber&#8217; an equal voice in this forum would be ludicrous; and would it not open the door to negotiations for all of America&#8217;s goods?  Hmmm, maybe that wouldn&#8217;t be such a bad thing.  When I get home I&#8217;m gonna call my electric company and see if I can barter down the utilities bill&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry Wolfert</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28926</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry Wolfert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very good post.  I think of the reasons that commission becomes a hot topic is that the public has a perception that 1) if the price of the house is negotiable, so is the commission 2) that the agent listing the house gets all of the commission; you have to explain to them that we coop with other agents, pay broker fees, etc and 3) they perceive our job as fun and easy.

I really have no issue with a client asking me to lower my commission.  The answer is a simple no.  I have built a business model and marketing plan around generating a certain amount of income.  If they don&#039;t see the value I&#039;m bringing, they can shop elsewhere.  This isn&#039;t arrogant, it&#039;s called common sense.

Who negotiates with their doctor, CPA, attorney, grocery store?? No one.  You have the right to buy from whomever you want.  The market determines value not the seller.

I would love to see us go to an hourly model.  If my sellers paid me by the hour, I don&#039;t think I&#039;d have listings sitting on the market and overpriced.  Buyers tend not to get distracted by this because they don&#039;t &quot;feel the pain&quot; of paying us.

This is all about educating the client.  I sit down with every client for 1-2 hours before we agree to work together.  We discuss their needs, goals and I make sure they understand how I get paid.  If they&#039;re not comfortable and willing to sign an Exclusive Listing/Buyers Agreement, all I&#039;ve spent is a few hours.  I can write this time off to good use rather than driving them around, seeing houses and then finding out they don&#039;t want me to get paid.

Real estate is a service business.  Every year I accumulate more knowledge, insights, market awareness and invest in better tools.  However, my fee does not go up every year. In fact, given the current market, my fees are lower today due to lower prices.  Should I add a gasoline surcharge, multiple trip surcharge, checked baggage surcharge like other industries? 

I don&#039;t think the market will go for that and I&#039;m not interested in that kind of business model.  The next time someone questions your compensation, ask them about theirs.  That usually stops the discussion.

Good luck out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very good post.  I think of the reasons that commission becomes a hot topic is that the public has a perception that 1) if the price of the house is negotiable, so is the commission 2) that the agent listing the house gets all of the commission; you have to explain to them that we coop with other agents, pay broker fees, etc and 3) they perceive our job as fun and easy.</p>
<p>I really have no issue with a client asking me to lower my commission.  The answer is a simple no.  I have built a business model and marketing plan around generating a certain amount of income.  If they don&#8217;t see the value I&#8217;m bringing, they can shop elsewhere.  This isn&#8217;t arrogant, it&#8217;s called common sense.</p>
<p>Who negotiates with their doctor, CPA, attorney, grocery store?? No one.  You have the right to buy from whomever you want.  The market determines value not the seller.</p>
<p>I would love to see us go to an hourly model.  If my sellers paid me by the hour, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;d have listings sitting on the market and overpriced.  Buyers tend not to get distracted by this because they don&#8217;t &#8220;feel the pain&#8221; of paying us.</p>
<p>This is all about educating the client.  I sit down with every client for 1-2 hours before we agree to work together.  We discuss their needs, goals and I make sure they understand how I get paid.  If they&#8217;re not comfortable and willing to sign an Exclusive Listing/Buyers Agreement, all I&#8217;ve spent is a few hours.  I can write this time off to good use rather than driving them around, seeing houses and then finding out they don&#8217;t want me to get paid.</p>
<p>Real estate is a service business.  Every year I accumulate more knowledge, insights, market awareness and invest in better tools.  However, my fee does not go up every year. In fact, given the current market, my fees are lower today due to lower prices.  Should I add a gasoline surcharge, multiple trip surcharge, checked baggage surcharge like other industries? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the market will go for that and I&#8217;m not interested in that kind of business model.  The next time someone questions your compensation, ask them about theirs.  That usually stops the discussion.</p>
<p>Good luck out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Dalton</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28878</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Dalton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The days of x% or goodbye are gone, or won’t last forever anyway.

They&#039;ll last as long as there are members of the public willing to support that model and members of the industry who find it to be a viable model for their business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The days of x% or goodbye are gone, or won’t last forever anyway.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ll last as long as there are members of the public willing to support that model and members of the industry who find it to be a viable model for their business.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica Ramus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica Ramus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I opened my brokerage 18 months ago, I set out to create a very different set of rules for how we get paid. I do a lot of consulting and work with many business people. I set my fees based on how much work they want me to do. Yes I have a fixed percentage, but if a lawyer client of mine wants to use me to put his property in the MLS and do marketing, but not negotiate/etc why should he pay the same fee? The days of x% or goodbye are gone, or won&#039;t last forever anyway. There is no reason we cannot charge as lawyers or other professionals do. I do it and it works for me. It might not work for all... that&#039;s why we have a free market!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I opened my brokerage 18 months ago, I set out to create a very different set of rules for how we get paid. I do a lot of consulting and work with many business people. I set my fees based on how much work they want me to do. Yes I have a fixed percentage, but if a lawyer client of mine wants to use me to put his property in the MLS and do marketing, but not negotiate/etc why should he pay the same fee? The days of x% or goodbye are gone, or won&#8217;t last forever anyway. There is no reason we cannot charge as lawyers or other professionals do. I do it and it works for me. It might not work for all&#8230; that&#8217;s why we have a free market!</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Carey</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28719</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Thompson Wrote:
&gt;Interesting approach. (putting commission in the contract)And can not be done in the State of Arizona. Honestly, I’m surprised it’s allowed anywhere. The contract should be between the buyer and seller, not the listing and buyers agents.

You are darn right Jay, the contract should be between the buyer and the seller. I am a buyer more often than an agent. That is why I don&#039;t want you, the real estate commission, or the state legislature telling ME what can be in MY offer. 

If my buyers agent is a terrific guy and I want him to get paid more by the seller I should be able to put that in my offer. And NO ONE should tell me the buyer that I can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Thompson Wrote:<br />
&gt;Interesting approach. (putting commission in the contract)And can not be done in the State of Arizona. Honestly, I’m surprised it’s allowed anywhere. The contract should be between the buyer and seller, not the listing and buyers agents.</p>
<p>You are darn right Jay, the contract should be between the buyer and the seller. I am a buyer more often than an agent. That is why I don&#8217;t want you, the real estate commission, or the state legislature telling ME what can be in MY offer. </p>
<p>If my buyers agent is a terrific guy and I want him to get paid more by the seller I should be able to put that in my offer. And NO ONE should tell me the buyer that I can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Carey</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Carey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agents aren&#039;t making near as much as the consumer thinks. One of the problems is that the consumer doesn&#039;t understand that the agent usually spits with the Broker.  

My solution - get rid of the middle man, get rid of the broker. I don&#039;t see where the broker adds value to the situation. Have ALL agents trained to the broker level. Essentially I am saying get rid of agents and only keep brokers. 

I would allow brokers to form an &quot;agency&quot; to combine costs like advertising but the two tiered commission structure makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agents aren&#8217;t making near as much as the consumer thinks. One of the problems is that the consumer doesn&#8217;t understand that the agent usually spits with the Broker.  </p>
<p>My solution &#8211; get rid of the middle man, get rid of the broker. I don&#8217;t see where the broker adds value to the situation. Have ALL agents trained to the broker level. Essentially I am saying get rid of agents and only keep brokers. </p>
<p>I would allow brokers to form an &#8220;agency&#8221; to combine costs like advertising but the two tiered commission structure makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Fisher</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28697</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 06:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We do not use the common approach on discussing commissions with sellers, i.e. either 5% or 6%.  We approach commissions from the stand point of a listing commission and a selling commission.  

Under a listing commission there are options we can go over with the seller how much service do they want and are willing to pay for.  We have charged as high as 4.5% for a lisitng commission where we took complete care of the property and prsented the home to each buyer and/or agent.  We have taken less depending on a what the client wants and are they repeat clients, etc.

We discuss selling commissions separatley based upon how the home is priced and other needs of the seller.  We have received up to 4% commission on sales including REOs.

There are to many variables in each listing that are different from other listings to set one dollar value or percentage to cover all listing and sales commissions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We do not use the common approach on discussing commissions with sellers, i.e. either 5% or 6%.  We approach commissions from the stand point of a listing commission and a selling commission.  </p>
<p>Under a listing commission there are options we can go over with the seller how much service do they want and are willing to pay for.  We have charged as high as 4.5% for a lisitng commission where we took complete care of the property and prsented the home to each buyer and/or agent.  We have taken less depending on a what the client wants and are they repeat clients, etc.</p>
<p>We discuss selling commissions separatley based upon how the home is priced and other needs of the seller.  We have received up to 4% commission on sales including REOs.</p>
<p>There are to many variables in each listing that are different from other listings to set one dollar value or percentage to cover all listing and sales commissions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Thompson</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28681</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem T, you are of course free to do whatever you are comfortable with and I would never want you or anyone else to compromise that.

In my opinion, discussing commissions is a far cry from anti-trust price fixing and cartel formation. But I am clearly not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, the radio or Internet.

Which is exactly why I got direct feedback from the Arizona Associations of Realtors attorney on precisely this topic.

I hear &quot;we can&#039;t discuss commissions&quot; all the time from agents and brokers. I&#039;d love to have someone cite a reliable source or case law precedent that says openly discussing commissions violates any rule or regulation. So far, no one I&#039;ve met or talked to has been able to produce such a source. Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem T, you are of course free to do whatever you are comfortable with and I would never want you or anyone else to compromise that.</p>
<p>In my opinion, discussing commissions is a far cry from anti-trust price fixing and cartel formation. But I am clearly not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, the radio or Internet.</p>
<p>Which is exactly why I got direct feedback from the Arizona Associations of Realtors attorney on precisely this topic.</p>
<p>I hear &#8220;we can&#8217;t discuss commissions&#8221; all the time from agents and brokers. I&#8217;d love to have someone cite a reliable source or case law precedent that says openly discussing commissions violates any rule or regulation. So far, no one I&#8217;ve met or talked to has been able to produce such a source. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: teresa boardman</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/inman-news-plans-objective-view-of-real-estate-commissions/#comment-28677</link>
		<dc:creator>teresa boardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay - the problem is that if you look at how anti trust is enforced, and what could be construed as a violation it just isn&#039;t all that safe to talk about it. I&#039;ll read but I won&#039;t comment. 

Yes you absolutely can and should advertise what you charge that is way different from discussing it. I may be wrong on this but until I get more information from a qualified source I won&#039;t be leaving comments on public web sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay &#8211; the problem is that if you look at how anti trust is enforced, and what could be construed as a violation it just isn&#8217;t all that safe to talk about it. I&#8217;ll read but I won&#8217;t comment. </p>
<p>Yes you absolutely can and should advertise what you charge that is way different from discussing it. I may be wrong on this but until I get more information from a qualified source I won&#8217;t be leaving comments on public web sites.</p>
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