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		<title>By: Steve Simon</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-17079</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an instructor for well over twenty years (that means I have attended a dozen Division of Real Estate Instructor Seminars:) ).

There is very little mercy mentioned or administered for those they catch...

I am still amazed at what is mentioned in the field (and online for that matter). 

Discussions with agents (when I am in my rare &quot;Agent&quot; mode) from a few companies in my area seem to be the most likely to have me withdrawing or disavowing any part of the discussion.

These companies are the ones that litteraly hundreds of agents and usually one or two brokers!
There are quite a few of these &quot;Ant Hills&quot; in my area. The lack of supervision is of course (in my opinion) the reason for the demonstrable lack of ethics or worse.

There is one shop in particular that actually pays agents for bringing in other agents. I don&#039;t mean a human resource finder fee, I mean an ongoing monthly income! Its as close to illegal as you can get without being illegal, as I see it. The organization rents an office or two the size of a small bedroom and then signs up a couple of hundred agents. Charging them a monthly fee and then returning parts of the monthly fee for each agent they bring in, until they bring in a few and then they start to get paid for each additional agent they bring! Its actually a &quot;down line&quot; concept like you would find in a multi-level marketing oufit... Evidently its legal because the money comes to the employing broker and is then paid out by the broker. Point is can you imagine the lack of supervision in these places?

I had to tell a client we couldn&#039;t deal with one of their agents because I felt the risk of Federal prosecution for various offenses was too high for me to advise her to continue...

The fallout of this is evidenced in the size of the debacle we now face in the industry.
I have posted (on my blog) that the answer lies in the same level of regulation that has been applied to trainee appraisers. New law in Florida, certified appraisers can only supervise a maximum of three trainees. It should be so in real estate, maybe not the number three, but certainly not an unlimited number making money off each others arrival!
Just my opinion...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an instructor for well over twenty years (that means I have attended a dozen Division of Real Estate Instructor Seminars:) ).</p>
<p>There is very little mercy mentioned or administered for those they catch&#8230;</p>
<p>I am still amazed at what is mentioned in the field (and online for that matter). </p>
<p>Discussions with agents (when I am in my rare &#8220;Agent&#8221; mode) from a few companies in my area seem to be the most likely to have me withdrawing or disavowing any part of the discussion.</p>
<p>These companies are the ones that litteraly hundreds of agents and usually one or two brokers!<br />
There are quite a few of these &#8220;Ant Hills&#8221; in my area. The lack of supervision is of course (in my opinion) the reason for the demonstrable lack of ethics or worse.</p>
<p>There is one shop in particular that actually pays agents for bringing in other agents. I don&#8217;t mean a human resource finder fee, I mean an ongoing monthly income! Its as close to illegal as you can get without being illegal, as I see it. The organization rents an office or two the size of a small bedroom and then signs up a couple of hundred agents. Charging them a monthly fee and then returning parts of the monthly fee for each agent they bring in, until they bring in a few and then they start to get paid for each additional agent they bring! Its actually a &#8220;down line&#8221; concept like you would find in a multi-level marketing oufit&#8230; Evidently its legal because the money comes to the employing broker and is then paid out by the broker. Point is can you imagine the lack of supervision in these places?</p>
<p>I had to tell a client we couldn&#8217;t deal with one of their agents because I felt the risk of Federal prosecution for various offenses was too high for me to advise her to continue&#8230;</p>
<p>The fallout of this is evidenced in the size of the debacle we now face in the industry.<br />
I have posted (on my blog) that the answer lies in the same level of regulation that has been applied to trainee appraisers. New law in Florida, certified appraisers can only supervise a maximum of three trainees. It should be so in real estate, maybe not the number three, but certainly not an unlimited number making money off each others arrival!<br />
Just my opinion&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Henry</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16446</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melissa - Your client obviously knew she was working with an agent of integrity, It seems so casual to tell a little lie - yet the client&#039;s signature indicates everything they submitted is fact. Your lender was obviously only thinking of &quot;the money&quot;.

Vance - Thanks! We see celebrities and politicians fall from grace everyday and while we are not famous (well, most of us aren&#039;t), our reputation within our community can make or break us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melissa &#8211; Your client obviously knew she was working with an agent of integrity, It seems so casual to tell a little lie &#8211; yet the client&#8217;s signature indicates everything they submitted is fact. Your lender was obviously only thinking of &#8220;the money&#8221;.</p>
<p>Vance &#8211; Thanks! We see celebrities and politicians fall from grace everyday and while we are not famous (well, most of us aren&#8217;t), our reputation within our community can make or break us.</p>
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		<title>By: Vance Shutes</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16433</link>
		<dc:creator>Vance Shutes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 23:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paula,

You are spot-on with this post!  It takes years of diligent effort to build a reputation of integrity.  It takes only a moment to destroy that reputation.  

The bottom line?  Your title says it all.  &quot;Just say No.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula,</p>
<p>You are spot-on with this post!  It takes years of diligent effort to build a reputation of integrity.  It takes only a moment to destroy that reputation.  </p>
<p>The bottom line?  Your title says it all.  &#8220;Just say No.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa &#124; Talk San Francisco Real Estate</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16390</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa &#124; Talk San Francisco Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so glad you wrote this post.  My advice; don&#039;t get caught up in the money.  I started real estate 5 years ago.  It was, I think, my third client that I was about to close, and I was asked to advise my client to lie on her loan app by the lender that I referred my client to being that it was our in house lender.  I refused to tell her to lie, and actually advised her to not do so.  Needless to say, the transaction fell through.  I never used the lender again, and got into a huge argument with her.  My client was so grateful that I was honest, and did not try to sway her to do something wrong.  I still worked with her in the end.  Never do something that you know isn&#039;t right for the sake of closing a transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad you wrote this post.  My advice; don&#8217;t get caught up in the money.  I started real estate 5 years ago.  It was, I think, my third client that I was about to close, and I was asked to advise my client to lie on her loan app by the lender that I referred my client to being that it was our in house lender.  I refused to tell her to lie, and actually advised her to not do so.  Needless to say, the transaction fell through.  I never used the lender again, and got into a huge argument with her.  My client was so grateful that I was honest, and did not try to sway her to do something wrong.  I still worked with her in the end.  Never do something that you know isn&#8217;t right for the sake of closing a transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Henry</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16380</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mack - Here in  Indy, we do have legislation which requires loan brokers to be licensed and each brokers office must have a registered principal manager. All brokers and originators are required to have 6 hours of continuing ed and register with the Securities Division. 

I won&#039;t say these issues are exclusively lender territory. I recently had a young agent who mistakenly thought I was a new agent. Not that it should matter. My license number would make one think I was new, but I have seven years experience, most in other states.

After explaining that my seller can just give him $5000. at closing without the lender knowing, he says to me, &quot; I can tell by your license number, you are new, but this is completely legitimate. My broker wouldn&#039;t sign it, if it were illegal&quot;. I kindly explained to him, I am not new to the business and my seller will not be giving anyone money at closing. We worked it out legally!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mack &#8211; Here in  Indy, we do have legislation which requires loan brokers to be licensed and each brokers office must have a registered principal manager. All brokers and originators are required to have 6 hours of continuing ed and register with the Securities Division. </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t say these issues are exclusively lender territory. I recently had a young agent who mistakenly thought I was a new agent. Not that it should matter. My license number would make one think I was new, but I have seven years experience, most in other states.</p>
<p>After explaining that my seller can just give him $5000. at closing without the lender knowing, he says to me, &#8221; I can tell by your license number, you are new, but this is completely legitimate. My broker wouldn&#8217;t sign it, if it were illegal&#8221;. I kindly explained to him, I am not new to the business and my seller will not be giving anyone money at closing. We worked it out legally!</p>
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		<title>By: Mack in Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16377</link>
		<dc:creator>Mack in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paula - I think a lot of the loan originator problems would be cleared up if they were required to be licensed just as REALTORS are. If they knew that they would loose their ability to feed, clothe and house themselves and their families they may well obtain an internal BS meter(BTW I really like that statement).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paula &#8211; I think a lot of the loan originator problems would be cleared up if they were required to be licensed just as REALTORS are. If they knew that they would loose their ability to feed, clothe and house themselves and their families they may well obtain an internal BS meter(BTW I really like that statement).</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Henry</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16370</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth - No morals, no ethics - who would really do such a thing to a client? Oh, need I ask? How does he sleep at night?

Michelle - Me, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth &#8211; No morals, no ethics &#8211; who would really do such a thing to a client? Oh, need I ask? How does he sleep at night?</p>
<p>Michelle &#8211; Me, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Paula Henry</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16369</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt - Oh yeah, the good ol days of 2006 - when everyone thought this housing mess woudl surely correct itself soon.

Mack - The difference being educated. Loan officers have just as much culpability as an agent who knows and does nothing. I had an agent friend who told her seller that the buyer was a crook, as was the lender, appraiser and everyone else in the deal. The buyer was getting $100,000 toward repairs (on a home which needed no repairs) paid to a LLC, which the buyer was coincidentally the manager of . She had it in writing she recommended the seller not accept the offer. A year later she was investgated by the Real Estate Commissioner and cleared of any wrong doing. She is a great agent and easily could have been indicted with everyone else in the scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; Oh yeah, the good ol days of 2006 &#8211; when everyone thought this housing mess woudl surely correct itself soon.</p>
<p>Mack &#8211; The difference being educated. Loan officers have just as much culpability as an agent who knows and does nothing. I had an agent friend who told her seller that the buyer was a crook, as was the lender, appraiser and everyone else in the deal. The buyer was getting $100,000 toward repairs (on a home which needed no repairs) paid to a LLC, which the buyer was coincidentally the manager of . She had it in writing she recommended the seller not accept the offer. A year later she was investgated by the Real Estate Commissioner and cleared of any wrong doing. She is a great agent and easily could have been indicted with everyone else in the scheme.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Eibner</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-61707</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Eibner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;we&#039;re at it again Just Say NO: Did you know that commenting on this article may cure AD.. http://tinyurl.com/62qoo4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">we&#8217;re at it again Just Say NO: Did you know that commenting on this article may cure AD.. http://tinyurl.com/62qoo4</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/realtors/just-say-no/#comment-16364</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen sister!

I&#039;m always amazed at how completely casual and comfortable people are propositioning less-than-legal/ethical practices.  It always makes me double-take!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen sister!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at how completely casual and comfortable people are propositioning less-than-legal/ethical practices.  It always makes me double-take!</p>
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