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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300-400 hours of time??? Are you kidding me? For one transaction? That&#039;s completely unbelievable... sorry no way! 

Does anyone else here spend that many hours with one transaction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300-400 hours of time??? Are you kidding me? For one transaction? That&#8217;s completely unbelievable&#8230; sorry no way! </p>
<p>Does anyone else here spend that many hours with one transaction?</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Minkus, R(B)</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29774</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Minkus, R(B)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It amazes me that anyone would even consider selling a house on their own, given the litigiousness of today&#039;s society. Given that well over 95% of the lawsuits in real estate are brought by Buyers against Sellers, and the vast majority of lawsuits are about disclosure and every time I represent a Seller I have to pound into their heads the need to disclose EVERYTHING so they don&#039;t get sued... seems to me professionals are needed just to protect the non-professional!!1! 

On the buy side of things, I cannot speak for other areas of the country, but I&#039;d really like to see a Buyer try to navigate through a 12 page contract, an additional 6 page Buyer&#039;s addendum, other addendum and then try to figure out what they need to know about &quot;Agricultural&quot; (and other types of) zoning, cesspools, lava ratings and flood zones on their own here in Hawaii - not to mention reading a title report, or knowing what to do if there is an encroachment or cloud on title... meanwhile the Seller&#039;s representative is telling the buyer all sorts of lies and manipulating the situation in their Seller&#039;s favor... my, my, my, my it&#039;s an interesting world that we live in. I wouldn&#039;t fix my own car, operate on myself or represent myself in court, I hire people to clean my house, watch my kids and do my dry cleaning... so what&#039;s the big beef with Realtors??? I realize that $18k to sell a $300k house seems like a lot, but when you actually calculate the dollar per hour, figure that most transactions take about 300-400 hours of an agent&#039;s time, we&#039;re talking about $45-60 net, and THEN we have to pay 20% to our Broker for the privilege of doing business... that&#039;s less money than I pay my cleaning lady. So... just my 2cents from the Beautiful Big Island of Hawaii.... 

I do love the idea of taking a listing for life with a buyout clause... that&#039;s great!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It amazes me that anyone would even consider selling a house on their own, given the litigiousness of today&#8217;s society. Given that well over 95% of the lawsuits in real estate are brought by Buyers against Sellers, and the vast majority of lawsuits are about disclosure and every time I represent a Seller I have to pound into their heads the need to disclose EVERYTHING so they don&#8217;t get sued&#8230; seems to me professionals are needed just to protect the non-professional!!1! </p>
<p>On the buy side of things, I cannot speak for other areas of the country, but I&#8217;d really like to see a Buyer try to navigate through a 12 page contract, an additional 6 page Buyer&#8217;s addendum, other addendum and then try to figure out what they need to know about &#8220;Agricultural&#8221; (and other types of) zoning, cesspools, lava ratings and flood zones on their own here in Hawaii &#8211; not to mention reading a title report, or knowing what to do if there is an encroachment or cloud on title&#8230; meanwhile the Seller&#8217;s representative is telling the buyer all sorts of lies and manipulating the situation in their Seller&#8217;s favor&#8230; my, my, my, my it&#8217;s an interesting world that we live in. I wouldn&#8217;t fix my own car, operate on myself or represent myself in court, I hire people to clean my house, watch my kids and do my dry cleaning&#8230; so what&#8217;s the big beef with Realtors??? I realize that $18k to sell a $300k house seems like a lot, but when you actually calculate the dollar per hour, figure that most transactions take about 300-400 hours of an agent&#8217;s time, we&#8217;re talking about $45-60 net, and THEN we have to pay 20% to our Broker for the privilege of doing business&#8230; that&#8217;s less money than I pay my cleaning lady. So&#8230; just my 2cents from the Beautiful Big Island of Hawaii&#8230;. </p>
<p>I do love the idea of taking a listing for life with a buyout clause&#8230; that&#8217;s great!</p>
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		<title>By: teresa boardman</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29756</link>
		<dc:creator>teresa boardman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 11:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I get why people hate Realtors there are some that I don&#039;t like either. That is why I started a blog 3.5 years ago so that people can meet me and decide if I am worth the comission that they will pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get why people hate Realtors there are some that I don&#8217;t like either. That is why I started a blog 3.5 years ago so that people can meet me and decide if I am worth the comission that they will pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Missy Caulk</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29730</link>
		<dc:creator>Missy Caulk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had our GMM meeting in Sept. A Google employee spoke, and said he and his wife, looked on their own, looked at houses, drove by houses, used Google Earth, etc...

Then they hired a Realtor, they realized they could not do it on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had our GMM meeting in Sept. A Google employee spoke, and said he and his wife, looked on their own, looked at houses, drove by houses, used Google Earth, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Then they hired a Realtor, they realized they could not do it on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29675</link>
		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alan - you hit the nail right on the head. The problem is the outdated &quot;traditional&quot; percentage business model. It&#039;s simply time for a change. The big problem is that many Realtors don&#039;t want to change, but over the next 5 years they will have to or they might be out of business.

Full service, limited service, or flat fee, consumers want choices that make sense. A-la-cart makes perfect sense. There is no reason to pay $18,000 to sell a $300,000 home! It&#039;s just outrageous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan &#8211; you hit the nail right on the head. The problem is the outdated &#8220;traditional&#8221; percentage business model. It&#8217;s simply time for a change. The big problem is that many Realtors don&#8217;t want to change, but over the next 5 years they will have to or they might be out of business.</p>
<p>Full service, limited service, or flat fee, consumers want choices that make sense. A-la-cart makes perfect sense. There is no reason to pay $18,000 to sell a $300,000 home! It&#8217;s just outrageous.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyForNothing</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29662</link>
		<dc:creator>MoneyForNothing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Danilo Bogdanovic makes a great point!

For example, I needed some work done on my car last year.

Instead of buying all the necessary tools and equipment, learning the technical knowledge required, and spending my own time and effort fixing it, I just paid a mechanic a fair price to do all of those things.

The only problem is, when we apply this logic to REALTORS, many don&#039;t have any unique tools or equipment, appear to have absolutely no financial training or expertise beyond that of the average person, and so on the whole their &quot;clients&quot; would be much better served if they simply ran their own real estate errands and skipped out on paying the hefty 6% fee for the agent&#039;s &quot;services&quot;.

I mean, if REALTORS were so highly skilled, you would think at least a few businesses would be willing to hire them on salary, so the businesses and their customers could benefit from the realtors&#039; extensive expertise.

Hmmm.

Maybe that is why virtually no businesses are ever willing to pay salaries or wages to REALTORS?

I mean, in an efficient labor market, surely some shrewd companies would hire the best realtors on salary or for wages, if their expertise was indeed so valuable.

But since this virtually never happens, this means the labor market values the &quot;expertise&quot; of &quot;real estate professionals&quot; somewhere near $0/hour. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Danilo Bogdanovic makes a great point!</p>
<p>For example, I needed some work done on my car last year.</p>
<p>Instead of buying all the necessary tools and equipment, learning the technical knowledge required, and spending my own time and effort fixing it, I just paid a mechanic a fair price to do all of those things.</p>
<p>The only problem is, when we apply this logic to REALTORS, many don&#8217;t have any unique tools or equipment, appear to have absolutely no financial training or expertise beyond that of the average person, and so on the whole their &#8220;clients&#8221; would be much better served if they simply ran their own real estate errands and skipped out on paying the hefty 6% fee for the agent&#8217;s &#8220;services&#8221;.</p>
<p>I mean, if REALTORS were so highly skilled, you would think at least a few businesses would be willing to hire them on salary, so the businesses and their customers could benefit from the realtors&#8217; extensive expertise.</p>
<p>Hmmm.</p>
<p>Maybe that is why virtually no businesses are ever willing to pay salaries or wages to REALTORS?</p>
<p>I mean, in an efficient labor market, surely some shrewd companies would hire the best realtors on salary or for wages, if their expertise was indeed so valuable.</p>
<p>But since this virtually never happens, this means the labor market values the &#8220;expertise&#8221; of &#8220;real estate professionals&#8221; somewhere near $0/hour. <img src='http://agbeat.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alan Pinstein</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29632</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Pinstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both of the quoted articles make some good points. However, there is a problem with the Agent&#039;s defense of their role:

&gt; “I’m so sick of hearing it. Where there’s high risk, there’s high pay.
&gt;
&gt; Every morning, I wake up unemployed. I have to figure out where my next paycheck is coming from.

This is true for the agent the way the market works today, but that&#039;s the problem. The fact that real estate sells on 100% commission is a horrible pricing system for delivering the services of a real estate agent. It puts the agent in a position of having to accept more risk than they should, and causes the buyers and sellers to pay more in commissions than they should.

People that are hating on agents aren&#039;t stupid; they realize the above points. Agents simply defend their high commissions by pointing to the risk they take. But it&#039;s the industry status quo that forces real estate consumers to use this system.

Just because agents take the risk of whether or not a property will sell today doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the best way the market should work.

In my opinion, it&#039;s an inevitability that the pricing structure for real estate commissions will change to reflect reality in the next 3-5 years. There will start to be fixed fees for &quot;handling&quot; a listing -- these fees will cover the agent&#039;s expertise in dealing with the paperwork, doing marketing, preparing the house for sale, etc. This fee-for-service model will likely be a la carte, so that consumers can buy pricing services from the person that best understands the market; staging services from the person that best understands the psychology of selling, etc.

Also, in the current structure, the various parties interests are not aligned. Most sellers want to maximize sales price; agents are incentivized to sell as quickly as possible. The more an agent invests in marketing the house, the worse this incentive mis-alignment becomes, because the agent wants to recoup their risk before the listing contract expires.

It is a wonder to me why no agents have &quot;buyback&quot; clauses in their listing contracts. Instead of a listing contract lasting for a certain amount of time, why not make it the LIFE of the listing, unless the homeowner BUYS OUT the contract for say $1500, the value of the initial marketing services. A structure like this would nearly eliminate the risk for the agent and more closely align their incentives. This would result in more stable incomes for agents, cheaper commissions for sellers, and less wasted money in the system. The agent would be more interested in waiting out the market for the best offer they could get for their client.

Just some thoughts...

Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both of the quoted articles make some good points. However, there is a problem with the Agent&#8217;s defense of their role:</p>
<p>&gt; “I’m so sick of hearing it. Where there’s high risk, there’s high pay.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Every morning, I wake up unemployed. I have to figure out where my next paycheck is coming from.</p>
<p>This is true for the agent the way the market works today, but that&#8217;s the problem. The fact that real estate sells on 100% commission is a horrible pricing system for delivering the services of a real estate agent. It puts the agent in a position of having to accept more risk than they should, and causes the buyers and sellers to pay more in commissions than they should.</p>
<p>People that are hating on agents aren&#8217;t stupid; they realize the above points. Agents simply defend their high commissions by pointing to the risk they take. But it&#8217;s the industry status quo that forces real estate consumers to use this system.</p>
<p>Just because agents take the risk of whether or not a property will sell today doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the best way the market should work.</p>
<p>In my opinion, it&#8217;s an inevitability that the pricing structure for real estate commissions will change to reflect reality in the next 3-5 years. There will start to be fixed fees for &#8220;handling&#8221; a listing &#8212; these fees will cover the agent&#8217;s expertise in dealing with the paperwork, doing marketing, preparing the house for sale, etc. This fee-for-service model will likely be a la carte, so that consumers can buy pricing services from the person that best understands the market; staging services from the person that best understands the psychology of selling, etc.</p>
<p>Also, in the current structure, the various parties interests are not aligned. Most sellers want to maximize sales price; agents are incentivized to sell as quickly as possible. The more an agent invests in marketing the house, the worse this incentive mis-alignment becomes, because the agent wants to recoup their risk before the listing contract expires.</p>
<p>It is a wonder to me why no agents have &#8220;buyback&#8221; clauses in their listing contracts. Instead of a listing contract lasting for a certain amount of time, why not make it the LIFE of the listing, unless the homeowner BUYS OUT the contract for say $1500, the value of the initial marketing services. A structure like this would nearly eliminate the risk for the agent and more closely align their incentives. This would result in more stable incomes for agents, cheaper commissions for sellers, and less wasted money in the system. The agent would be more interested in waiting out the market for the best offer they could get for their client.</p>
<p>Just some thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Dan O'Halloran</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-65284</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan O'Halloran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;Fantastic post! RT @LaniAR Realtor Haters are problematic, here&#039;s the solution: http://agentgenius.com/?p=10413&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span class="topsy_trackback_comment"><span class="topsy_twitter_username"><span class="topsy_trackback_content">Fantastic post! RT @LaniAR Realtor Haters are problematic, here&#8217;s the solution: http://agentgenius.com/?p=10413</span></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Ken Brand</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29582</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Brand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 01:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the deal, IMHO, people in general are stressed to the max, people are sad, hurt, angry, frustrated and just plain pissed.  People handle stress differently, some rant, blame and spit flames.  I try, sometimes unsuccessfully, to keep in mind that over the top behavior is a sad sign that someone is in big time pain and a very bad place.  As you&#039;ve shared in  Vicki&#039;s perfect post, she&#039;s confident in her abilities and her value. She holds her high with a smile and rocks on.  Shake those hatters and rock on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the deal, IMHO, people in general are stressed to the max, people are sad, hurt, angry, frustrated and just plain pissed.  People handle stress differently, some rant, blame and spit flames.  I try, sometimes unsuccessfully, to keep in mind that over the top behavior is a sad sign that someone is in big time pain and a very bad place.  As you&#8217;ve shared in  Vicki&#8217;s perfect post, she&#8217;s confident in her abilities and her value. She holds her high with a smile and rocks on.  Shake those hatters and rock on.</p>
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		<title>By: David Tapper</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/realtor-hating/#comment-29576</link>
		<dc:creator>David Tapper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, before you bash me, I admit I did&#039;t spell check, so maybe we can all go to school together.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, before you bash me, I admit I did&#8217;t spell check, so maybe we can all go to school together.:)</p>
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