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		<title>By: Health Care Reform- Where Does the Natio&#8230; &#171; Hot topics</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 22:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Evilkumquat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evilkumquat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, this seems a no-brainer for the Real Estate Industry.

1) As the majority of real estate agents are self-employed/independent contractors, their costs for health coverage has to be HUGE. Single payer would help get rid of one gigantic expense to the majority in the industry.

2) If they weren&#039;t forced to pay premiums through their employers, as well as huge medical bills when the occur, how much more income would individuals have to spend on other things like, oh, I don&#039;t know... HOUSE PAYMENTS?

The NAOR&#039;s &quot;non-position&quot; position smacks of some incestuous relationship between the large corporate real estate franchises and the insurance industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, this seems a no-brainer for the Real Estate Industry.</p>
<p>1) As the majority of real estate agents are self-employed/independent contractors, their costs for health coverage has to be HUGE. Single payer would help get rid of one gigantic expense to the majority in the industry.</p>
<p>2) If they weren&#8217;t forced to pay premiums through their employers, as well as huge medical bills when the occur, how much more income would individuals have to spend on other things like, oh, I don&#8217;t know&#8230; HOUSE PAYMENTS?</p>
<p>The NAOR&#8217;s &#8220;non-position&#8221; position smacks of some incestuous relationship between the large corporate real estate franchises and the insurance industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruthmarie Hicks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruthmarie Hicks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 00:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lani, 

I&#039;m late to the party because I am a chicken.  You are brave to dive right into the fray.

The issue is complex, but there are some simple conclusions that can be drawn.

For profit health care is something of an oxymoron.  The trouble is that providing good care for the sick is in direct conflict with profit margins.   I was 

I was in this field as a researcher for 15 years.  Many of the physicians that I worked with were from European countries and they were shocked at how bad the situation was over here.  They didn&#039;t understand why we had no national program and were shocked at the costs of the for profit system and how many loopholes were available to dump the truly sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lani, </p>
<p>I&#8217;m late to the party because I am a chicken.  You are brave to dive right into the fray.</p>
<p>The issue is complex, but there are some simple conclusions that can be drawn.</p>
<p>For profit health care is something of an oxymoron.  The trouble is that providing good care for the sick is in direct conflict with profit margins.   I was </p>
<p>I was in this field as a researcher for 15 years.  Many of the physicians that I worked with were from European countries and they were shocked at how bad the situation was over here.  They didn&#8217;t understand why we had no national program and were shocked at the costs of the for profit system and how many loopholes were available to dump the truly sick.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Summerfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Summerfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone:

Enjoying the debate here. I just want to add that many NAR members can get basic coverage from the REALTORS® Core Health Insurance (RCHI) program. You can find out more about that here:
 http://www.realtor.org/realtor_benefits/benefits_partners/core_health_insurance

Brian Summerfield
Online Editor, REALTOR® Magazine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone:</p>
<p>Enjoying the debate here. I just want to add that many NAR members can get basic coverage from the REALTORS® Core Health Insurance (RCHI) program. You can find out more about that here:<br />
 http://www.realtor.org/realtor_benefits/benefits_partners/core_health_insurance</p>
<p>Brian Summerfield<br />
Online Editor, REALTOR® Magazine</p>
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		<title>By: Bob the Realtor</title>
		<link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/health-care-reform-where-does-the-national-association-of-realtors-stand/#comment-37330</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob the Realtor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s kidding who ?  The National Association of Realtors want NOTHING to do with ANY Realtor Health Care ! Why should they do ANYTHING for us sheep aslong as we keep paying our dues ? 

Its not like we could ask Jimmy to help us, but let not gather and talk about a Union ~</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s kidding who ?  The National Association of Realtors want NOTHING to do with ANY Realtor Health Care ! Why should they do ANYTHING for us sheep aslong as we keep paying our dues ? </p>
<p>Its not like we could ask Jimmy to help us, but let not gather and talk about a Union ~</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Loomer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Loomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tort reform should come first - affects more than just the medical sector.  Separate it from the argument, pass a reform bill, move on to health care debates.

Add illegal immigrants to the mix - can they be insured?

I believe you should either be a citizen or in this country legally.  The burden on the medical community and the penal system is already outrageous.  Fix that first.

I&#039;m retired military.  When I joined the Navy in 1982 I was promised &quot;Free Health Care for LIFE.&quot;

By 1994 I was paying for Tricare Prime.  

By the time I retired in 2003, the cost for this plan had tripled.  

Retired now, my premiums are easily 1/3rd lower than most other plans - but that&#039;s not my point. 

If you think ANOTHER Government-mandated health plan is not going to also triple in cost in very short order, you need a urinalysis.  

KW came out with a somewhat reasonable insurance for agents in February.  I&#039;ve not done the research to see how many of our 70K plus agents have taken the plunge - so I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s working or not.  At least they&#039;re trying.

My plan - as it is - works for me and my family.  I don&#039;t like it but I like the alternatives less.  The one thing that does work is that it is set up into regions (four, I believe).  This seems to work a lot better than the state exchanges proposal possibly could.

Navy Chief, Navy Pride</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tort reform should come first &#8211; affects more than just the medical sector.  Separate it from the argument, pass a reform bill, move on to health care debates.</p>
<p>Add illegal immigrants to the mix &#8211; can they be insured?</p>
<p>I believe you should either be a citizen or in this country legally.  The burden on the medical community and the penal system is already outrageous.  Fix that first.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m retired military.  When I joined the Navy in 1982 I was promised &#8220;Free Health Care for LIFE.&#8221;</p>
<p>By 1994 I was paying for Tricare Prime.  </p>
<p>By the time I retired in 2003, the cost for this plan had tripled.  </p>
<p>Retired now, my premiums are easily 1/3rd lower than most other plans &#8211; but that&#8217;s not my point. </p>
<p>If you think ANOTHER Government-mandated health plan is not going to also triple in cost in very short order, you need a urinalysis.  </p>
<p>KW came out with a somewhat reasonable insurance for agents in February.  I&#8217;ve not done the research to see how many of our 70K plus agents have taken the plunge &#8211; so I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s working or not.  At least they&#8217;re trying.</p>
<p>My plan &#8211; as it is &#8211; works for me and my family.  I don&#8217;t like it but I like the alternatives less.  The one thing that does work is that it is set up into regions (four, I believe).  This seems to work a lot better than the state exchanges proposal possibly could.</p>
<p>Navy Chief, Navy Pride</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Free</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For an organization that has not taken a position, this looks an awful lot like a position to me. I&#039;m puzzled that NAR expresses &quot;concern&quot; about agents who lack health coverage, yet seems opposed to any meaningful change to the status quo.

I&#039;m past weary of those who hold the post office up as a model of government inefficiency, yet at the same time argue that a government option would magically operate at some cost advantage over private insurers. The USPS delivers 220 billion pieces of mail annually at rates that are less than half that charged by other developed nations. While the postal service reported a loss for its 2007 and 2008 fiscals due to declines in mail volume, it turned a profit in 2006. Its express delivery business competes on a level playing field with its main rivals, UPS and FedEx, who play in a far more profitable market space. The USPS earns customer satisfaction scores across all its lines of business in excess of 90% -- on par with its competitors.

The same argument applies to Medicare, which insures a segment of the population largely abandoned by the private sector. Its year-over-year cost increases are primarily a function of the fees it pays providers, not the service it delivers its insureds. This imbalance is one of the issues being addressed in comprehensive health care legislation.

Face it, folks. If we&#039;re going to curtail runaway health care costs and extend affordable coverage options to individuals and small businesses, there are going to have to be changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an organization that has not taken a position, this looks an awful lot like a position to me. I&#8217;m puzzled that NAR expresses &#8220;concern&#8221; about agents who lack health coverage, yet seems opposed to any meaningful change to the status quo.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m past weary of those who hold the post office up as a model of government inefficiency, yet at the same time argue that a government option would magically operate at some cost advantage over private insurers. The USPS delivers 220 billion pieces of mail annually at rates that are less than half that charged by other developed nations. While the postal service reported a loss for its 2007 and 2008 fiscals due to declines in mail volume, it turned a profit in 2006. Its express delivery business competes on a level playing field with its main rivals, UPS and FedEx, who play in a far more profitable market space. The USPS earns customer satisfaction scores across all its lines of business in excess of 90% &#8212; on par with its competitors.</p>
<p>The same argument applies to Medicare, which insures a segment of the population largely abandoned by the private sector. Its year-over-year cost increases are primarily a function of the fees it pays providers, not the service it delivers its insureds. This imbalance is one of the issues being addressed in comprehensive health care legislation.</p>
<p>Face it, folks. If we&#8217;re going to curtail runaway health care costs and extend affordable coverage options to individuals and small businesses, there are going to have to be changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Erion Shehaj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erion Shehaj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My questions are not based on that premise, Jeff. If allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines will bring down prices singnificantly and new regulation would protect consumers from being bumped off, I&#039;m all for leaving it to the private sector. I must say though, that I have my doubts about the effectiveness of those measures over the long term. 

See, we are not that far apart once we start talking about specifics :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My questions are not based on that premise, Jeff. If allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines will bring down prices singnificantly and new regulation would protect consumers from being bumped off, I&#8217;m all for leaving it to the private sector. I must say though, that I have my doubts about the effectiveness of those measures over the long term. </p>
<p>See, we are not that far apart once we start talking about specifics <img src='http://agbeat.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: BawldGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>BawldGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Erion -- Your questions were indeed &#039;tightly strapped to reality&#039; - the private sector&#039;s reality. The problem with answering those questions is the wholly false premise on which the entire subject is based: That the gov&#039;t can ever compete with private business while lowering overall consumer costs, and improving efficiency. 

That, my good friend, may be the poster child for false premise.

Still, your questions are in the minds of many of us. Truth be told, if the gov&#039;t would simply allow the insurance industry to compete opening, across state lines, and more or less unfettered except for what we&#039;d all surely agree would be required minimum regulation, price would indeed head south while efficiency would increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Erion &#8212; Your questions were indeed &#8216;tightly strapped to reality&#8217; &#8211; the private sector&#8217;s reality. The problem with answering those questions is the wholly false premise on which the entire subject is based: That the gov&#8217;t can ever compete with private business while lowering overall consumer costs, and improving efficiency. </p>
<p>That, my good friend, may be the poster child for false premise.</p>
<p>Still, your questions are in the minds of many of us. Truth be told, if the gov&#8217;t would simply allow the insurance industry to compete opening, across state lines, and more or less unfettered except for what we&#8217;d all surely agree would be required minimum regulation, price would indeed head south while efficiency would increase.</p>
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		<title>By: PR - Real Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>PR - Real Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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