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> <channel><title>Comments on: No More Mortgages &#8211; Ever&#8230;</title> <atom:link href="http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/</link> <description>News, insights, tools, and inspiration for business owners and professionals</description> <lastBuildDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 16:41:13 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Matthew Rathbun</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-12110</link> <dc:creator>Matthew Rathbun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:28:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-12110</guid> <description>Robert,
I didn&#039;t forget about the investors, but I don&#039;t think people who have received orders to move, had medical or life issues, etc... should suffer because some investors weren&#039;t very good at it.
Perhaps a different set of rules for primary residence versus investment and second homes?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p><p>I didn&#8217;t forget about the investors, but I don&#8217;t think people who have received orders to move, had medical or life issues, etc&#8230; should suffer because some investors weren&#8217;t very good at it.</p><p>Perhaps a different set of rules for primary residence versus investment and second homes?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Robert D. Ashby</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-12050</link> <dc:creator>Robert D. Ashby</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:17:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-12050</guid> <description>Did we forget about all of the investors speculating, floppping, etc.?  I think the guidelines should be similar to those involving bankruptcy.  If you have been in a foreclosure within the last 4 years, your out unless you can justify it with documented viable reasons (divorce, job loss, etc.)  Don&#039;t punish the ones that fell on hard times and lost their home that way, but come down hard on the ones who deserve wrath.
I know investors probably hate for those comments, but taking a whole picture view of their financial and investment plans would keep them from being in that situation in the first place.  Investing is not for amatuers unless you are willing to take a &quot;spanking&quot; and are seeking porper advice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did we forget about all of the investors speculating, floppping, etc.?  I think the guidelines should be similar to those involving bankruptcy.  If you have been in a foreclosure within the last 4 years, your out unless you can justify it with documented viable reasons (divorce, job loss, etc.)  Don&#8217;t punish the ones that fell on hard times and lost their home that way, but come down hard on the ones who deserve wrath.</p><p>I know investors probably hate for those comments, but taking a whole picture view of their financial and investment plans would keep them from being in that situation in the first place.  Investing is not for amatuers unless you are willing to take a &#8220;spanking&#8221; and are seeking porper advice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Melina Tomson</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-12002</link> <dc:creator>Melina Tomson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:20:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-12002</guid> <description>I think there is a difference between people that have a life event occur and people that just overspent themselves.  You can&#039;t help a flood, medical problems, job loss, etc.  In the past year, I have only seen one true &quot;hardship&quot; and it really was sad for the family.  I would have loved for the lender to recapitalize their loan for them and offer a period of forebearance.   It would have been the right thing to do.
The rest were people whose eyeballs were bigger than their wallets.  I just don&#039;t have a lot of sympathy for people that don&#039;t know how to live within a budget.  Sorry, I don&#039;t.
I like the idea of the stagger because there would be some incentive to try and negotiate the sale for a seller vs. sticking their head in the sand.  The problem, as someone else posted, is that trying to negotiate a short sale is so painful for all parties involved.
What I hope comes out of this mess is 1) a return to common sense budgeting, and 2) better trained agents and mortgage brokers that can help buyers understand some of that fine print.  The fact is that this is what we do day in and day out.  People really do rely on us for guidance, and I know I am work hard with my buyers to understand the budgetary constraints of a home purchase.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is a difference between people that have a life event occur and people that just overspent themselves.  You can&#8217;t help a flood, medical problems, job loss, etc.  In the past year, I have only seen one true &#8220;hardship&#8221; and it really was sad for the family.  I would have loved for the lender to recapitalize their loan for them and offer a period of forebearance.   It would have been the right thing to do.</p><p>The rest were people whose eyeballs were bigger than their wallets.  I just don&#8217;t have a lot of sympathy for people that don&#8217;t know how to live within a budget.  Sorry, I don&#8217;t.</p><p>I like the idea of the stagger because there would be some incentive to try and negotiate the sale for a seller vs. sticking their head in the sand.  The problem, as someone else posted, is that trying to negotiate a short sale is so painful for all parties involved.</p><p>What I hope comes out of this mess is 1) a return to common sense budgeting, and 2) better trained agents and mortgage brokers that can help buyers understand some of that fine print.  The fact is that this is what we do day in and day out.  People really do rely on us for guidance, and I know I am work hard with my buyers to understand the budgetary constraints of a home purchase.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Danilo Bogdanovic</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11997</link> <dc:creator>Danilo Bogdanovic</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:47:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11997</guid> <description>My parents told me two things once upon a time...
&quot;The only person you have to blame for your mistakes is yourself.&quot;
and
&quot;Don&#039;t sign anything before you&#039;ve read it and understand it fully&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My parents told me two things once upon a time&#8230;</p><p>&#8220;The only person you have to blame for your mistakes is yourself.&#8221;</p><p>and</p><p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t sign anything before you&#8217;ve read it and understand it fully&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Anne</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11992</link> <dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:14:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11992</guid> <description>What a great post.  As a REALTOR and an investor I&#039;m seeing the same things.  I am currently working with several clients who had the misfortune of purchasing at the peak of the market and then having a &quot;life crisis&quot;, ie divorce, job loss, health issue and finding themselves unable to afford their homes.  Often these are people who took a part time second job and cut back to try to protect their credit.  I believe a short sale is most often the answer, and if they recover financially they should be able to buy in the future.  I don&#039;t think a year is too long to wait, and in fact most people will take longer to become financially stable again.  However, that being said, I do think that people who lied about their income and just plain over extended themselves buying &quot;stuff&quot; with their equity lines shouldn&#039;t necessarily be given carte blanche to do it again down the road.  I have tenants, and when I do a credit screen I look beyond the foreclosure to see how thay managed their other debt.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great post.  As a REALTOR and an investor I&#8217;m seeing the same things.  I am currently working with several clients who had the misfortune of purchasing at the peak of the market and then having a &#8220;life crisis&#8221;, ie divorce, job loss, health issue and finding themselves unable to afford their homes.  Often these are people who took a part time second job and cut back to try to protect their credit.  I believe a short sale is most often the answer, and if they recover financially they should be able to buy in the future.  I don&#8217;t think a year is too long to wait, and in fact most people will take longer to become financially stable again.  However, that being said, I do think that people who lied about their income and just plain over extended themselves buying &#8220;stuff&#8221; with their equity lines shouldn&#8217;t necessarily be given carte blanche to do it again down the road.  I have tenants, and when I do a credit screen I look beyond the foreclosure to see how thay managed their other debt.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: GP</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11990</link> <dc:creator>GP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:54:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11990</guid> <description>Who exactly is going to buy all these foreclosures???  Not homeowners attempting to downsize after being forced out of their home.  Not investors looking to rent to those unable to buy...
With Freddie Mac now limiting investors from owning more than 4 properties before they&#039;re limited to portfolio loans, it seems like Washington doesn&#039;t want ANYONE to own homes but the lenders?!
And of course, the numerous foreclosure scam laws that have been pressed into place are a mess of legal confusion, which has scared off most ethical investors who had been acting respectably and buying houses before the courthouse steps...  (I asked three attorneys in my state about a confusing part of the new FC law, and got three different answers!)
There is so many knee-jerk reactions and hasty policies being made in government halls all over  the country these days, my sense is that a good many of these actions are bound to make the situation worse, before it gets better.  At some point, preventing supply and demand from acting only delays the inevitable pain...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who exactly is going to buy all these foreclosures???  Not homeowners attempting to downsize after being forced out of their home.  Not investors looking to rent to those unable to buy&#8230;</p><p>With Freddie Mac now limiting investors from owning more than 4 properties before they&#8217;re limited to portfolio loans, it seems like Washington doesn&#8217;t want ANYONE to own homes but the lenders?!</p><p>And of course, the numerous foreclosure scam laws that have been pressed into place are a mess of legal confusion, which has scared off most ethical investors who had been acting respectably and buying houses before the courthouse steps&#8230;  (I asked three attorneys in my state about a confusing part of the new FC law, and got three different answers!)</p><p>There is so many knee-jerk reactions and hasty policies being made in government halls all over  the country these days, my sense is that a good many of these actions are bound to make the situation worse, before it gets better.  At some point, preventing supply and demand from acting only delays the inevitable pain&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark Eibner</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-66964</link> <dc:creator>Mark Eibner</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 07:11:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-66964</guid> <description>&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_comment&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_twitter_username&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;topsy_trackback_content&quot;&gt;we&#039;re at it again No More Mortgages - Ever&#8230;:
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class="topsy_trackback_content">we&#8217;re at it again No More Mortgages &#8211; Ever&#8230;:</p><p>Fannie Mae Changes I&#8217;ve rece.. http://tinyurl.com/5nv359</span></span></span></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Thomas Johnson</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11988</link> <dc:creator>Thomas Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:12:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11988</guid> <description>This is fluid.  As soon as there has been adequate recapitalization of the lenders, they will be back.  This process may take years, however.  Let&#039;s hope that FHA continues to be funded by the politicians.  Time will be need to clear the excess inventory of houses.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is fluid.  As soon as there has been adequate recapitalization of the lenders, they will be back.  This process may take years, however.  Let&#8217;s hope that FHA continues to be funded by the politicians.  Time will be need to clear the excess inventory of houses.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt Wilkins</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11982</link> <dc:creator>Matt Wilkins</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:42:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11982</guid> <description>This also brings up the point that too many homeowners do not take the intiial steps of trying to work the lender on a solution and skip straight to trying to short sale property (many times listing it beofre submitting the required paperwork).  Many people have been able to work with lenders and obtain short/long term solutions that are a win-win.  The ones that throw up their hands should be the ones that take the brunt of the credit damage.
I belive that the numbers of months that the person canot buy for should be based on the on their credit situation beofer the short sale or foreclosure.  Many clients have good credit but have to dispose of their home in some manner due to job transfer or needing more space.  It is not completely thier fault that the home is worth significantly less than wht they paid for it.  Yes they should not get off scott free but they should also not be punished to the fullest extent.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This also brings up the point that too many homeowners do not take the intiial steps of trying to work the lender on a solution and skip straight to trying to short sale property (many times listing it beofre submitting the required paperwork).  Many people have been able to work with lenders and obtain short/long term solutions that are a win-win.  The ones that throw up their hands should be the ones that take the brunt of the credit damage.</p><p>I belive that the numbers of months that the person canot buy for should be based on the on their credit situation beofer the short sale or foreclosure.  Many clients have good credit but have to dispose of their home in some manner due to job transfer or needing more space.  It is not completely thier fault that the home is worth significantly less than wht they paid for it.  Yes they should not get off scott free but they should also not be punished to the fullest extent.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michelle DeRepentigny</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11977</link> <dc:creator>Michelle DeRepentigny</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:02:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11977</guid> <description>What disturbs me about the 5 year and 1 year guideline/rule is that I am seeing such a flood of short sales that are not being processed in an efficient,  timely manner.  So many are trying to short sale and failing, then going into foreclosure.  Why is this fair, either make it 5 years for all who default in any way, or 1 year.  Education is going to be the key to keep people out of this situation and unfortunately many consumers are still not going to receive that.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What disturbs me about the 5 year and 1 year guideline/rule is that I am seeing such a flood of short sales that are not being processed in an efficient,  timely manner.  So many are trying to short sale and failing, then going into foreclosure.  Why is this fair, either make it 5 years for all who default in any way, or 1 year.  Education is going to be the key to keep people out of this situation and unfortunately many consumers are still not going to receive that.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Shailesh Ghimire</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11971</link> <dc:creator>Shailesh Ghimire</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:31:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11971</guid> <description>I haven&#039;t heard anyone say that mortgages should be denied, but then again that doesn&#039;t mean it hasn&#039;t been said. You raise a great question here. I too agree those limitations are really reasonable, but the five year limit is too high in my opinion. They should reduce it to four years.
The key factor regardless of the time limit is credit management post-foreclosure and post-short sale. Underwriters will be very interested in seeing how the applicant has managed their finances after such a dramatic financial collapse.
As far as the whole mess, I think Fannie Mae and others need to put tight reigns on income verification and holding the DTI limit with no exceptions. That will pretty much ensure that the borrower is able to afford the mortgage. I haven&#039;t looked at the numbers recently, but a lot of the foreclosures are occurring due to those stated income loans.  Which allowed ANYONE to over extend themselves. I think if you go back to properly documenting income and holding to a tight DTI then I don&#039;t see any problem in giving mortgages to those who have reasonable credit even after a foreclosure or short sale.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t heard anyone say that mortgages should be denied, but then again that doesn&#8217;t mean it hasn&#8217;t been said. You raise a great question here. I too agree those limitations are really reasonable, but the five year limit is too high in my opinion. They should reduce it to four years.</p><p>The key factor regardless of the time limit is credit management post-foreclosure and post-short sale. Underwriters will be very interested in seeing how the applicant has managed their finances after such a dramatic financial collapse.</p><p>As far as the whole mess, I think Fannie Mae and others need to put tight reigns on income verification and holding the DTI limit with no exceptions. That will pretty much ensure that the borrower is able to afford the mortgage. I haven&#8217;t looked at the numbers recently, but a lot of the foreclosures are occurring due to those stated income loans.  Which allowed ANYONE to over extend themselves. I think if you go back to properly documenting income and holding to a tight DTI then I don&#8217;t see any problem in giving mortgages to those who have reasonable credit even after a foreclosure or short sale.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ken Smith</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11967</link> <dc:creator>Ken Smith</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:23:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11967</guid> <description>Ignorant people say some really stupid things.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ignorant people say some really stupid things.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew Rathbun</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11960</link> <dc:creator>Matthew Rathbun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:01:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11960</guid> <description>Paula,
I think the few people who potentially set out to deceive or &quot;play&quot; the market are so minimal that it doesn&#039;t justify punishing everyone.
Many people (including some agents) didn&#039;t read the fine print that even some attorneys can&#039;t easily decipher.  I think that there should be some restrictions to give one time to get their life back on track and learn to control their finances, but not a blanket life long scarlet letter....</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paula,</p><p>I think the few people who potentially set out to deceive or &#8220;play&#8221; the market are so minimal that it doesn&#8217;t justify punishing everyone.</p><p>Many people (including some agents) didn&#8217;t read the fine print that even some attorneys can&#8217;t easily decipher.  I think that there should be some restrictions to give one time to get their life back on track and learn to control their finances, but not a blanket life long scarlet letter&#8230;.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paula Henry</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/no-more-mortgages-ever/#comment-11958</link> <dc:creator>Paula Henry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 02:50:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=2234#comment-11958</guid> <description>Matthew - This is a serious topic affecting way too many people who just hit upon a hard times. What do you say to the people here in the Midwest, who because of floods and lack of insurance, walk away from their homes and let the bank have them back. Or, the client who tried to work through a divorce, but the house didn&#039;t sell and there wasn&#039;t enough money?
Sorry - you can not buy another home - heck, we won&#039;t even rent to you.
Sure, there are plenty of people who didn&#039;t read the fine print or sincerely believed they could refinance out of their current loan, except the market changed. Some just made bad choices. Certainly, there were many who should not have been given a loan - but they were buying their piece of the American Dream. they had hopes and dreams, which have been shattered.
There are even a percentage who obtained property unethically through liar loans and deceit. I have not seen this to be the case for the majority here in Indiana. At least not the people who call me.
I have seen many cases which break my heart and all I can say is:
Except for the Grace of God............</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew &#8211; This is a serious topic affecting way too many people who just hit upon a hard times. What do you say to the people here in the Midwest, who because of floods and lack of insurance, walk away from their homes and let the bank have them back. Or, the client who tried to work through a divorce, but the house didn&#8217;t sell and there wasn&#8217;t enough money?</p><p>Sorry &#8211; you can not buy another home &#8211; heck, we won&#8217;t even rent to you.</p><p>Sure, there are plenty of people who didn&#8217;t read the fine print or sincerely believed they could refinance out of their current loan, except the market changed. Some just made bad choices. Certainly, there were many who should not have been given a loan &#8211; but they were buying their piece of the American Dream. they had hopes and dreams, which have been shattered.</p><p>There are even a percentage who obtained property unethically through liar loans and deceit. I have not seen this to be the case for the majority here in Indiana. At least not the people who call me.</p><p>I have seen many cases which break my heart and all I can say is:</p><p>Except for the Grace of God&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
