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> <channel><title>Comments on: Broker Classes: Week One</title> <atom:link href="http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/</link> <description>News, insights, tools, and inspiration for business owners and professionals</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:53:16 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: Thomas Johnson</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8917</link> <dc:creator>Thomas Johnson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:18:25 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8917</guid> <description>Kelley: The Realtor associations thrive on membership-the more the merrier.  The Realtor associations have gobs of lobbying money (campaign contributions) to spend.  By lobbying for (buying) a real estate educational system from the state legislatures that caters to everyone to the right of the left side of the bell curve, they ensure the maximum number of dues paying members which in turn brings more dues (lobbying money, er, campaign contributions).  Which keeps the incumbents in office.  Rinse Lather Repeat.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelley: The Realtor associations thrive on membership-the more the merrier.  The Realtor associations have gobs of lobbying money (campaign contributions) to spend.  By lobbying for (buying) a real estate educational system from the state legislatures that caters to everyone to the right of the left side of the bell curve, they ensure the maximum number of dues paying members which in turn brings more dues (lobbying money, er, campaign contributions).  Which keeps the incumbents in office.  Rinse Lather Repeat.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kelley Koehler</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8867</link> <dc:creator>Kelley Koehler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 16:40:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8867</guid> <description>Brian - they need the passing scores to be able to sell their education, to say they have a ninety-whatever percent pass rate among their students.  It&#039;s not in their best interests to make it more difficult or to fail people out.
Bill - in fairness, there may be people in the class that find that sort of fluff engaging.  I come from a math and science background - fluff and classrooms don&#039;t mix for me.  And I do enjoy the discussion, as long as it stays on topic, and doesn&#039;t degrade into story-time.  That&#039;s why I keep doing live continuing ed, and not online classes.
Scott - my favorite continuing ed classes are the ones where the instructor will say, &quot;Now, put a star by that, you might see a question on the test that says something like...&quot;.  And at the end of 3 hours, you have 20 stars, and 20 questions on the test.  That&#039;s not teaching me material, that&#039;s memorization.
I realize it&#039;s not practical to have five different broker courses for every sort of person.  But I feel like the current course isn&#039;t aiming at the middle.  It&#039;s aiming at the bottom quartile.  In every other education I&#039;ve had except real estate - ballet, college, scuba - there were expectations set that we had to meet.  We had to come up to that level in order to move on.  And once you moved on to the next level, there were fresh challenges and levels expected of you.  I don&#039;t find that to be true in real estate at all - in terms of the formal education offered.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; they need the passing scores to be able to sell their education, to say they have a ninety-whatever percent pass rate among their students.  It&#8217;s not in their best interests to make it more difficult or to fail people out.</p><p>Bill &#8211; in fairness, there may be people in the class that find that sort of fluff engaging.  I come from a math and science background &#8211; fluff and classrooms don&#8217;t mix for me.  And I do enjoy the discussion, as long as it stays on topic, and doesn&#8217;t degrade into story-time.  That&#8217;s why I keep doing live continuing ed, and not online classes.</p><p>Scott &#8211; my favorite continuing ed classes are the ones where the instructor will say, &#8220;Now, put a star by that, you might see a question on the test that says something like&#8230;&#8221;.  And at the end of 3 hours, you have 20 stars, and 20 questions on the test.  That&#8217;s not teaching me material, that&#8217;s memorization.</p><p>I realize it&#8217;s not practical to have five different broker courses for every sort of person.  But I feel like the current course isn&#8217;t aiming at the middle.  It&#8217;s aiming at the bottom quartile.  In every other education I&#8217;ve had except real estate &#8211; ballet, college, scuba &#8211; there were expectations set that we had to meet.  We had to come up to that level in order to move on.  And once you moved on to the next level, there were fresh challenges and levels expected of you.  I don&#8217;t find that to be true in real estate at all &#8211; in terms of the formal education offered.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brian Brady</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8845</link> <dc:creator>Brian Brady</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:29:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8845</guid> <description>I agree with you, Kelley.  People learn at different speeds.  Most people won&#039;t do the preparation required so the lion&#039;s share of the time spent in class is reviewing &quot;last week&#039;s&quot; lesson.  I prefer online training to classroom but can see the value of classroom.
Why couldn&#039;t they put half those hours online and fail people out for showing up unprepared for the classrooms?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Kelley.  People learn at different speeds.  Most people won&#8217;t do the preparation required so the lion&#8217;s share of the time spent in class is reviewing &#8220;last week&#8217;s&#8221; lesson.  I prefer online training to classroom but can see the value of classroom.</p><p>Why couldn&#8217;t they put half those hours online and fail people out for showing up unprepared for the classrooms?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill Lublin</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8829</link> <dc:creator>Bill Lublin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 12:32:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8829</guid> <description>Kelly - Congratulations on moving your career forward with your Broker&#039;s license- Obviously the problem is that neither Matt nor I teach those courses in Arizona :-)
Seriously the problem here might be that the teacher  fell in love with the form of their presentation without seeing if it was really engaging the students.
Power points and music are good tools but engaging the students and creating the potential for dialogue is part of the teacher&#039;s job - Maybe the next intructor can do a better job - After all, especially in brokerage classes, there is room for discussion as spirited as any blog - and you see what happens there ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly &#8211; Congratulations on moving your career forward with your Broker&#8217;s license- Obviously the problem is that neither Matt nor I teach those courses in Arizona <img
src='http://agbeat.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br
/> Seriously the problem here might be that the teacher  fell in love with the form of their presentation without seeing if it was really engaging the students.<br
/> Power points and music are good tools but engaging the students and creating the potential for dialogue is part of the teacher&#8217;s job &#8211; Maybe the next intructor can do a better job &#8211; After all, especially in brokerage classes, there is room for discussion as spirited as any blog &#8211; and you see what happens there <img
src='http://agbeat.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott P. Rogers</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8797</link> <dc:creator>Scott P. Rogers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8797</guid> <description>I had the same frustration as you last week.  I attended a 1-hour session where we didn&#039;t start on the material until minute 21.  And then there was continued filler throughout the remaining 39 minutes.
Furthermore --- I REALLY don&#039;t like (as you mentioned) when an instructor over-promises at the start of the class telling me there will be SOOO much information conveyed!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had the same frustration as you last week.  I attended a 1-hour session where we didn&#8217;t start on the material until minute 21.  And then there was continued filler throughout the remaining 39 minutes.</p><p>Furthermore &#8212; I REALLY don&#8217;t like (as you mentioned) when an instructor over-promises at the start of the class telling me there will be SOOO much information conveyed!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kelley Koehler</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8764</link> <dc:creator>Kelley Koehler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 15:13:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8764</guid> <description>I&#039;m not lobbying against classroom teaching, I prefer to do my continuing ed live and not online because of the discussion and interaction.  But even in a 3 hour cont.ed class, there&#039;s an hour of filler.
As an example, let&#039;s take easements.  You got your 4 kinds.  Great.  Here&#039;s the drawing (the same drawing every time), here&#039;s what each is, here&#039;s examples of their use.  Now, instead of telling me 4 stories about different transactions where there was a trouble easement, why don&#039;t you tell me one and then review how to identify easements, ways I might be able to mitigate that risk in my business practices especially if I&#039;m a broker and have my own agents.  But that&#039;s not on the exam, so we don&#039;t go over it.
They start the course by saying they&#039;re going to cram so much stuff into your head that you should take the exam immediately before it all leaks out.  I have trouble with that premise.  The stuff we&#039;re learning is basically all review - if you didn&#039;t know this stuff before, or if it didn&#039;t jog your memory after a review, then how can you read a prelim?  How can you measure a room?  How can you read and understand all the REO contract addenda that your client has to sign?  How have you made it this far?
Can you imagine if our test scores were made public?  Agent X passed the national exam in one try with a 97%.  Agent Y took 3 tries, and finally passed with a 78% on the last try.  All this talk about ranking agents, no one mentions that.
/rant</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not lobbying against classroom teaching, I prefer to do my continuing ed live and not online because of the discussion and interaction.  But even in a 3 hour cont.ed class, there&#8217;s an hour of filler.</p><p>As an example, let&#8217;s take easements.  You got your 4 kinds.  Great.  Here&#8217;s the drawing (the same drawing every time), here&#8217;s what each is, here&#8217;s examples of their use.  Now, instead of telling me 4 stories about different transactions where there was a trouble easement, why don&#8217;t you tell me one and then review how to identify easements, ways I might be able to mitigate that risk in my business practices especially if I&#8217;m a broker and have my own agents.  But that&#8217;s not on the exam, so we don&#8217;t go over it.</p><p>They start the course by saying they&#8217;re going to cram so much stuff into your head that you should take the exam immediately before it all leaks out.  I have trouble with that premise.  The stuff we&#8217;re learning is basically all review &#8211; if you didn&#8217;t know this stuff before, or if it didn&#8217;t jog your memory after a review, then how can you read a prelim?  How can you measure a room?  How can you read and understand all the REO contract addenda that your client has to sign?  How have you made it this far?</p><p>Can you imagine if our test scores were made public?  Agent X passed the national exam in one try with a 97%.  Agent Y took 3 tries, and finally passed with a 78% on the last try.  All this talk about ranking agents, no one mentions that.</p><p>/rant</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeremy Hart</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8754</link> <dc:creator>Jeremy Hart</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:27:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8754</guid> <description>Kelly - don&#039;t you know your A B C&#039;s?  And P&#039;s and Q&#039;s?
Matt&#039;s right, the retention rate in classroom training IS better, but I&#039;ve always had problems keeping up with classroom training simply because of the tangents the instructor inevitably seems to go off on.  It&#039;s got to be hard as an instructor to keep on task AND make sure that you&#039;re teaching the material in a way that everyone, with different learning styles, can best absorb, though ... maybe that&#039;s one reason why some instructors tell so many random stories.
Doesn&#039;t matter though ... you still can&#039;t touch the thermostat!  Good luck with the classes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelly &#8211; don&#8217;t you know your A B C&#8217;s?  And P&#8217;s and Q&#8217;s?</p><p>Matt&#8217;s right, the retention rate in classroom training IS better, but I&#8217;ve always had problems keeping up with classroom training simply because of the tangents the instructor inevitably seems to go off on.  It&#8217;s got to be hard as an instructor to keep on task AND make sure that you&#8217;re teaching the material in a way that everyone, with different learning styles, can best absorb, though &#8230; maybe that&#8217;s one reason why some instructors tell so many random stories.</p><p>Doesn&#8217;t matter though &#8230; you still can&#8217;t touch the thermostat!  Good luck with the classes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew Rathbun</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8753</link> <dc:creator>Matthew Rathbun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 12:24:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8753</guid> <description>I get ya!  I really do...  This does bring me around to a future post, I assume.  For all the people who yell that we need higher pre-licensing education standards, what exactly should be taught?  How would we fill those hours.  I can honestly tell you that I could easily fill more than 90 hours about how to be a broker in a class, without enya and student domination of the class - but I&#039;m an elitist :)
Sorry it sucks, but I&#039;m still glad you&#039;re moving that direction.  I&#039;ve always felt that being a broker is the best place to be as an agent.  The freedom to (or potential ability to) run your own business is the best part of being an agent.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get ya!  I really do&#8230;  This does bring me around to a future post, I assume.  For all the people who yell that we need higher pre-licensing education standards, what exactly should be taught?  How would we fill those hours.  I can honestly tell you that I could easily fill more than 90 hours about how to be a broker in a class, without enya and student domination of the class &#8211; but I&#8217;m an elitist <img
src='http://agbeat.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p><p>Sorry it sucks, but I&#8217;m still glad you&#8217;re moving that direction.  I&#8217;ve always felt that being a broker is the best place to be as an agent.  The freedom to (or potential ability to) run your own business is the best part of being an agent.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kelley Koehler</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8737</link> <dc:creator>Kelley Koehler</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:47:34 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8737</guid> <description>Matt - I&#039;d happily still hear it from an instructor.  But there&#039;s so much wasted time spent on fluff.  It&#039;s like they KNOW there isn&#039;t 90 hours worth of stuff, so the cram in as much extra crap as possible.
If they presented the information, you took a quiz and could go home... people with questions or who wanted extended discussion could stay and do that.
But literally - enya and the &#039;A B Cs of being a Real Estate Broker&#039;?  Ridiculous.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt &#8211; I&#8217;d happily still hear it from an instructor.  But there&#8217;s so much wasted time spent on fluff.  It&#8217;s like they KNOW there isn&#8217;t 90 hours worth of stuff, so the cram in as much extra crap as possible.</p><p>If they presented the information, you took a quiz and could go home&#8230; people with questions or who wanted extended discussion could stay and do that.</p><p>But literally &#8211; enya and the &#8216;A B Cs of being a Real Estate Broker&#8217;?  Ridiculous.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matthew Rathbun</title><link>http://agbeat.com/editorials/real-estate/broker-classes-week-one/#comment-8736</link> <dc:creator>Matthew Rathbun</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:29:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://agentgenius.com/?p=1805#comment-8736</guid> <description>Well, I won&#039;t bore you even more with the significantly higher rate of retention that classroom training has over on-line training; but if the instructor isn&#039;t keeping your attention...... hmmmmm
I am glad to hear that you&#039;re moving in the Broker direction.  I know you&#039;ll do well!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I won&#8217;t bore you even more with the significantly higher rate of retention that classroom training has over on-line training; but if the instructor isn&#8217;t keeping your attention&#8230;&#8230; hmmmmm</p><p>I am glad to hear that you&#8217;re moving in the Broker direction.  I know you&#8217;ll do well!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
